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		<title>By: Clunky Flow &#187; Can Andreessen reach Obama with the &#8220;new bank&#8221; idea?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clunky Flow &#187; Can Andreessen reach Obama with the &#8220;new bank&#8221; idea?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As you know.. I proposed the simple idea of &#8216;internet only&#8217; &#8216;new banks&#8217; back here in &#8220;My friend the economist and my dumb question.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Clunky Flow &#187; New banks: Did I get the scoop? Did you hear it here first?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clunky Flow &#187; New banks: Did I get the scoop? Did you hear it here first?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote about my idea of &#8216;My friend the economist and my dumb question&#8216; here on 23rd [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NiaLLLarkin</title>
		<link>http://www.niall-larkin.com/blog/2009/01/23/my-friend-the-economist-and-my-dumb-question/#comment-25020</link>
		<dc:creator>NiaLLLarkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now the Wall Street Journal is chiming in
"Let's Start Brand New Banks 
A clean slate would keep TARP money away from bad banks"

By PAUL ROMER
Everyone agrees that the United States urgently needs a few good banks. Turning bad banks into good banks is a difficult and risky way to get them. It's simpler and safer to start entirely new banks.

In this context, "good" means a bank with assets and liabilities that are easy to value using market prices. At a good bank, officers, regulators and investors can be confident about the value of the bank's capital...

Continue:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123388681675555343.html

Thanks to Triona Carey for pointing this out to me via Dave Winer and twitter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now the Wall Street Journal is chiming in<br />
&#8220;Let&#8217;s Start Brand New Banks<br />
A clean slate would keep TARP money away from bad banks&#8221;</p>
<p>By PAUL ROMER<br />
Everyone agrees that the United States urgently needs a few good banks. Turning bad banks into good banks is a difficult and risky way to get them. It&#8217;s simpler and safer to start entirely new banks.</p>
<p>In this context, &#8220;good&#8221; means a bank with assets and liabilities that are easy to value using market prices. At a good bank, officers, regulators and investors can be confident about the value of the bank&#8217;s capital&#8230;</p>
<p>Continue:<br />
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123388681675555343.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123388681675555343.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks to Triona Carey for pointing this out to me via Dave Winer and twitter</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Sikorski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Sikorski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can policy makers address a problem without knowing a full scope of the problem which is inherent to the current banking system? No way.

PEOPLE For  Mathematically Perfected Economy™ (PFMPE™)  :  mathematically perfected economy™ (MPE™) (interest-free-monetary-stystem, not debt free) is the singular integral solution to 1) inflation &#38; deflation, 2) systemic manipulation of the cost or value of money or property, &#38; 3) inherent, irreversible multiplication of debt in proportion to a vital circulation, engendering inevitable systemic failure at a finite system lifespan defined by an inevitable, terminal sum of insoluble debt. Mathematically Perfected Economy™ is every prospective debtor's right to issue their promise to pay, free of extrinsic manipulation, adulteration, or exploitation of that promise, or the natural opportunity to make good on it. 

For example: While 12,000 homes a day continue to go into foreclosure, mathematically perfected economy™ would re-finance a $100,000 home with a hundred-year lifespan at the overall rate of $1,000 per year or $83.33 per month. Without costing us anything, we would immediately become as much as 12 times as liquid on present revenue. Transitioning to MPE™ would apply all payments already made against existent debt toward principal. Many of us would be debt free. There would be no housing crisis, no credit crisis. Unlimited funding would immediately be available to sustain all the industry we are capable of.


There is no other solution. Regulation can only temper an inherently terminal process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can policy makers address a problem without knowing a full scope of the problem which is inherent to the current banking system? No way.</p>
<p>PEOPLE For  Mathematically Perfected Economy™ (PFMPE™)  :  mathematically perfected economy™ (MPE™) (interest-free-monetary-stystem, not debt free) is the singular integral solution to 1) inflation &amp; deflation, 2) systemic manipulation of the cost or value of money or property, &amp; 3) inherent, irreversible multiplication of debt in proportion to a vital circulation, engendering inevitable systemic failure at a finite system lifespan defined by an inevitable, terminal sum of insoluble debt. Mathematically Perfected Economy™ is every prospective debtor&#8217;s right to issue their promise to pay, free of extrinsic manipulation, adulteration, or exploitation of that promise, or the natural opportunity to make good on it. </p>
<p>For example: While 12,000 homes a day continue to go into foreclosure, mathematically perfected economy™ would re-finance a $100,000 home with a hundred-year lifespan at the overall rate of $1,000 per year or $83.33 per month. Without costing us anything, we would immediately become as much as 12 times as liquid on present revenue. Transitioning to MPE™ would apply all payments already made against existent debt toward principal. Many of us would be debt free. There would be no housing crisis, no credit crisis. Unlimited funding would immediately be available to sustain all the industry we are capable of.</p>
<p>There is no other solution. Regulation can only temper an inherently terminal process.</p>
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		<title>By: NiaLLLarkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiaLLLarkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Micheal I agree. Deflation will fully express itself. Like a wildfire. And any taxpayers money used to 'prop up' ailing banks is likely to be lost. 

That said there are always green shoots of growth to come after the losses. We should be prepared to support a quick recovery. Such a recovery would get a welcome boost if there is a banking systems made up of fresh new banks (free of hidden toxic debts) ready to lend to the creditworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Micheal I agree. Deflation will fully express itself. Like a wildfire. And any taxpayers money used to &#8216;prop up&#8217; ailing banks is likely to be lost. </p>
<p>That said there are always green shoots of growth to come after the losses. We should be prepared to support a quick recovery. Such a recovery would get a welcome boost if there is a banking systems made up of fresh new banks (free of hidden toxic debts) ready to lend to the creditworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL WALKER</title>
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		<dc:creator>MICHAEL WALKER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 02:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think that the "Good Bank" idea has to deal with the issue and real possibility of the "Bad Bank" system
sinking the financial system. As I understand it there is $52 trillion of outstanding debt in the global system that is currently unwinding with only 5 to 8 trillion (best case scenario) of reflation funds in the system. Surely deflation will fully express itself, Good Bank or Bad Bank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think that the &#8220;Good Bank&#8221; idea has to deal with the issue and real possibility of the &#8220;Bad Bank&#8221; system<br />
sinking the financial system. As I understand it there is $52 trillion of outstanding debt in the global system that is currently unwinding with only 5 to 8 trillion (best case scenario) of reflation funds in the system. Surely deflation will fully express itself, Good Bank or Bad Bank?</p>
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		<title>By: NiaLLLarkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiaLLLarkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willem Buiter who write Mavercon  for the FT 

http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/01/the-good-bank-solution/

"It would not involve nationalising the existing banks.  Instead the state would create one or more new ’good’ banks - all state-owned and state-funded to begin with. "

"As regards the the legacy bad banks, the easiest and cleanest way to proceed is to stop them from doing any new business on the asset side of their balance sheets: no new lending and no new investment.  They would also not be permitted to take new deposits.  A simple way to ensure this is to take away their banking licenses. "</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willem Buiter who write Mavercon  for the FT </p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/01/the-good-bank-solution/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2009/01/the-good-bank-solution/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;It would not involve nationalising the existing banks.  Instead the state would create one or more new ’good’ banks - all state-owned and state-funded to begin with. &#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;As regards the the legacy bad banks, the easiest and cleanest way to proceed is to stop them from doing any new business on the asset side of their balance sheets: no new lending and no new investment.  They would also not be permitted to take new deposits.  A simple way to ensure this is to take away their banking licenses. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: NiaLLLarkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiaLLLarkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kaila Wow. Thanks for that :)

I had a look at Wikipedia for more info.

"Kiwibank has won the first three Sunday Star Times/Cannex banking awards, in 2006, 2007, and 2008 for offering the best value across their range of products."

"Kiwibank's success is reflected primarily in its signup rate for new customers of over 300 new organisations and individuals per day (about 2100 per week)."

We need a banking system. But we don't need banks who don't know where they stand. We don't need banks who have no idea how toxic their toxic loan books are. They just cripple the banking system.

Kiwibank shows just how easy it is to establish new banks and give us the banking system essential to our economy. 

We don't need to throw good money at bad banks. We can start afresh. It makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kaila Wow. Thanks for that :)</p>
<p>I had a look at Wikipedia for more info.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kiwibank has won the first three Sunday Star Times/Cannex banking awards, in 2006, 2007, and 2008 for offering the best value across their range of products.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Kiwibank&#8217;s success is reflected primarily in its signup rate for new customers of over 300 new organisations and individuals per day (about 2100 per week).&#8221;</p>
<p>We need a banking system. But we don&#8217;t need banks who don&#8217;t know where they stand. We don&#8217;t need banks who have no idea how toxic their toxic loan books are. They just cripple the banking system.</p>
<p>Kiwibank shows just how easy it is to establish new banks and give us the banking system essential to our economy. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to throw good money at bad banks. We can start afresh. It makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaila Colbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaila Colbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there Niall,

It's not a crazy idea -- in fact, it's exactly what we've got here in New Zealand, in the form of &lt;a href="http://www.kiwibank.co.nz" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kiwibank.&lt;/a&gt; Internet only, uses the PostShops for personal transactions, and has mobile lending officers and business bankers who will come to you. Owned by the government/taxpayers, and offers generally better rates than private banks.

I remember a conversation with two representatives of a large trans-Tasman bank, at which they basically whined to me about how unfair it is for them to have to compete against Kiwibank. Poor diddums!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there Niall,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a crazy idea &#8212; in fact, it&#8217;s exactly what we&#8217;ve got here in New Zealand, in the form of <a href="http://www.kiwibank.co.nz" rel="nofollow">Kiwibank.</a> Internet only, uses the PostShops for personal transactions, and has mobile lending officers and business bankers who will come to you. Owned by the government/taxpayers, and offers generally better rates than private banks.</p>
<p>I remember a conversation with two representatives of a large trans-Tasman bank, at which they basically whined to me about how unfair it is for them to have to compete against Kiwibank. Poor diddums!</p>
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		<title>By: NiaLLLarkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>NiaLLLarkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Derek 

Existing banks are carrying such unquantifiable risks in terms of toxic loan books or other skeletons in their cupboards that they themselves are afraid to lend. 

Newly established banks (internet-only or otherwise) would not have these problems. The advantage of internet-only is that it provides a quick and cheap way of setting up new banks. Thus providing a solid banking system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Derek </p>
<p>Existing banks are carrying such unquantifiable risks in terms of toxic loan books or other skeletons in their cupboards that they themselves are afraid to lend. </p>
<p>Newly established banks (internet-only or otherwise) would not have these problems. The advantage of internet-only is that it provides a quick and cheap way of setting up new banks. Thus providing a solid banking system.</p>
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